1. is a stand alone product or an add on to the HTML editor?

Does the lastest version of HTML editor 14.0 build 723 include RLM?

my goal is to have web page that works on smart phone and normal pc's

What is the learning curve?

No the HTML editor doesn't have RLM. It is a standalone product yes. Yes it will work on PC's and phones. The learning curve depends on what type of program you've come from, if it's VSD I think it would be easier, if from the HTML editor or the like where you have full control a bit more difficult, but the learning curves isn't Javascript.

To be an antagonist here, I disagree with you on the difficulty level G'Kar

If you have previous coding experience you should find the ability to use the program much easier than if you are strictly WYSIWYG without any coding experience or very minimal by just inputting code for a script you're using. The reason I say this is that you need to have some type of experience and/or knowledge about CSS and how it's used to really understand how it works. If you don't it will most likely be a trial and error learning experience (which I don't think is impossible at all as that's how many learned the Shopping Cart Designer programs).

With knowledge of HTML and CSS you will already understand what the different settings stand for and will do for you without the trial and error ( well maybe just a little bit hehe), and things will pop into place a whole lot faster and easier for you.

Really the only thing that VSD will do for a user of this program is give them the similarity of drag and drop of elements, from there it's knowledge that will help a lot more than visual experience.

P.S. In the end though it's all doable, the learning curve may seem stiff, but although it may take someone longer that has no knowledge of coding, it is still very learnable with a little reading and some trial and error and some people *points to self* learn very well that way

P.S.S. NOTE: There is one thing that will be a very big issue for anyone that is coming from VSD to this program. You will have to have knowledge of web building in order to complete the site. This is only a Layout maker, not a site builder, so you will only have a structure and a few details entered into the program for the site. The code will need to be exported to be uploaded to your server, or published on S-Drive AND you will need to finish all the rest of the site manually using a web building program such as HTML Editor or Dreamweaver/text editor/etc. to do so. This means you WILL need to have some knowledge of web building code to use this program effectively.

Just my 10 cents

I think there is still a learning curve Jo Ann, it's not a program that you can just be a guru in 5 mins. When you code in CSS there are many ways to code that way, for eg I like ID's and my own way of naming them etc and have a format, not quite my own templates but a format. However I'm getting there with it a bit now, I just think it's like many program you got to get used to it. I do Videos for another company and I think they are cake to use but many can't get to grips, I find the HTML editor easy but I can't use templates, so I don't think we can really say, I find Photoshop difficult some find it easy so people learn programs at a different rate.

It really boils down to a few different points with Responsive Layout Maker.

• You really do not have to know how to code to create a Layout. You do however need to have some coding knowledge, such as Margins, and padding. What is the difference between class and ID and that really is all the coding needed to build a layout in RLM.
• Can non-coders use RLM? Yes, but you do have to want to learn the basics. If you do not wish to learn a few basics then VSD would be a better fit for you.
• When you export a project, you do need to add in your text, images, and such. Which is basic copy and paste.

Yeah, I think it's finding just where everything is on the interface and that's like any program.

I Come from the VSD world, with having little code knowledge. If I were to get RLM, would it be a good or bad thing to try and utilize VSD to help generate the code portion of a site? EXAMPLE: If I put images and text on a site using VSD, I then could go to the index.html and steal code from certain areas and paste them into a finished RLM generated site? Sounds like a lot of work but maybe not?

Hi there Marc,

I would have to say that if you are coming strictly from a VSD world with little to no knowledge of HTML and CSS coding I would honestly wait for the Responsive Site Designer. You can do what you said above to a degree but in a lot of cases you will run into problems because VSD uses absolute positioning which is the exact opposite of the RLM which uses fluid positioning.

If I were you I would download the trial and play with it. You will need to familiarise yourself with the controls as I believe for the most part they will be very similar in the RSD. Remember RLM is not a website designer! It is a Responsive Framework Builder. It will put together a layout of your website in its barest form and its up to the designer to open the exported HTML and CSS files after to manually edit them to add content and styling.

Hope this helps

I think the main question about copying code from your VSD site would be an "absolute" no (pun intended for coders lol). The reason for this is that VSD places everything in "position:absolute" so it will not play nice with responsive design which places things on a the page in relative locations according to the viewport of the user.

Basically this would mean if you placed something like an image from VSD it would stay exactly where it is on the page regardless of how it shrinks with different devices so it would not always stay within your containers that RLM creates. Not to mention that wading your way around VSD code is a nightmare even for coders let alone someone that has no knowledge trying to get all the right settings from it.

Yea Jo Ann is right and I was thinking that as I was typing. I will second the definitive answer of no don't even try to copy the code over