moving divisions, items and stuff -...
I'm going crazy trying to get my divisions & items aligned correctly on my page. They seem to have a mind of their own. Now I'm just trying to create a template to use on the other pages. This is tempting me to just go back to html tables. At least they'll stay put.
I'm attaching both html and CSS code in case someone can throw me a lifeline. Thanks guys!
I'm attaching both html and CSS code in case someone can throw me a lifeline. Thanks guys!
Eh, I think you may have forgotten to attach those files...
If the page is online, you can just give us the URL.
If the page is online, you can just give us the URL.
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Inger, Norway
My work in progress:
Components for Site Designer and the HTML Editor: https://mock-up.coffeecup.com
Don't get too anxious if you decide to use tables for formatting in some situations. Just be aware that you aren't strictly following HTML5/CSS3 standards. Technically speaking, alot of peoples websites won't be compliant because of improper use of white space, or not commenting properly. Most people working with HTML can't even get their tags formatted properly but will then sanctimoniously tell everyone else about needing being compliant. The bottomline is do what works for you, just because tables are not truly HTML5 compliant for formatting doesn't mean it won't work.
Personally, I am not throwing out or rewriting 5 years worth of templates, skins, and sites because of new HTML5 standards. As long as they work they'll stay. These things change constantly and I doubt they will stop changing. It wasn't to long ago the rage was XML/XHTML, I can recall reading once that CSS was a doomed failure. Does anyone else here recall being told we would all need to have BREW/Java and/or WAP subsites/subdomains for mobile devices. I think I can recall an email recently from CoffeeCup that said something like "Flash is so yesterday". There are a lot of sites that are nothing but Flash on the net because very recently it was first class for delivering dynamically driven content online. I will be very surprised if HTML5 and CSS3 still dominate internet content delivery.
If only I could know what technology or concept was coming next!
(I actually thought many years ago that HTML browsers would never take off! I honestly believed that most users and companies would prefer the security and service provided by dial-up BBS!)
Personally, I am not throwing out or rewriting 5 years worth of templates, skins, and sites because of new HTML5 standards. As long as they work they'll stay. These things change constantly and I doubt they will stop changing. It wasn't to long ago the rage was XML/XHTML, I can recall reading once that CSS was a doomed failure. Does anyone else here recall being told we would all need to have BREW/Java and/or WAP subsites/subdomains for mobile devices. I think I can recall an email recently from CoffeeCup that said something like "Flash is so yesterday". There are a lot of sites that are nothing but Flash on the net because very recently it was first class for delivering dynamically driven content online. I will be very surprised if HTML5 and CSS3 still dominate internet content delivery.
If only I could know what technology or concept was coming next!
(I actually thought many years ago that HTML browsers would never take off! I honestly believed that most users and companies would prefer the security and service provided by dial-up BBS!)
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Yeah I agree with you Levi. There is so much emphasis on compliance and although I do it myself I think its over-hyped thing. Its hardly as if W3 have the greatest website ever themselves. You can have everything compliant but the website could still look rubbish.
The thing with HTML5 and CSS3 if your using older browsers and many still do then they will never see the effects. I can't actually see what the advantage of using CSS3 with all its fancy stuff is over using small images in a creative way, with the technology we have now.
The thing with HTML5 and CSS3 if your using older browsers and many still do then they will never see the effects. I can't actually see what the advantage of using CSS3 with all its fancy stuff is over using small images in a creative way, with the technology we have now.
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On paper one set of standards for complaint coding and browsers makes the world a much simpler place. The reality is often quite the reverse. The problem has always been every browser does things just a little different (by virtue of everyone using different code and targeting different hardware). Let's face it Google's Chrome, Mozilla's Firefox, and Apple's Safari all claim to be 100% HTML5 compliant and yet complex sites still load and display a little different in each. To prove this just look at the necessity of separate webkit, and mozilla lines in your style sheet just to programmatically round an objects corners. (Which is alot better than the exhaustive amount of javascript that it used to require.)
I see the advantages, in fact it would be wonderful if they happened! The reality is that technology is moving so rapidly that it makes it very difficult to implement. Let's be honest the "cool" stuff in HTML5/CSS3 has been around for awhile now, but you had to be in javascript or some other script/language to implement it. All HTML5/CSS3 seems to offer me is a reduction in code which means simplified and quicker development. After overcoming the learning curve of the new technology.
I see the advantages, in fact it would be wonderful if they happened! The reality is that technology is moving so rapidly that it makes it very difficult to implement. Let's be honest the "cool" stuff in HTML5/CSS3 has been around for awhile now, but you had to be in javascript or some other script/language to implement it. All HTML5/CSS3 seems to offer me is a reduction in code which means simplified and quicker development. After overcoming the learning curve of the new technology.
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I always wondered why people were so anal about minute differences in the way a site renders in various browsers. It's not like people who visit your site do a side by side comparison and grade you on the results. 
I wouldn't worry about updating past sites to newer standards, but would definitely follow the current standards on new projects. CSS has advantages over tabular design. Even Adobe has realized that fact in updating Dreamweaver output.

I wouldn't worry about updating past sites to newer standards, but would definitely follow the current standards on new projects. CSS has advantages over tabular design. Even Adobe has realized that fact in updating Dreamweaver output.
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Tom wrote:
I always wondered why people were so anal about minute differences in the way a site renders in various browsers. It's not like people who visit your site do a side by side comparison and grade you on the results.
I wouldn't worry about updating past sites to newer standards, but would definitely follow the current standards on new projects. CSS has advantages over tabular design. Even Adobe has realized that fact in updating Dreamweaver output.
I always wondered why people were so anal about minute differences in the way a site renders in various browsers. It's not like people who visit your site do a side by side comparison and grade you on the results.

I wouldn't worry about updating past sites to newer standards, but would definitely follow the current standards on new projects. CSS has advantages over tabular design. Even Adobe has realized that fact in updating Dreamweaver output.
Your definately right in the fact that people aren't going to check the displays on different browsers when they visit your site obviously.
I have for quite some time kept abreast of what's going on as regards new technology in web design but if your going to use for eg CSS3/HTML5 for new progjects the new code will be slimmed down, but you still at present have to have fallbacks for older browsers.
To me as it stands it's fine to do one or two things in the latest technology perhaps on new projects but it's still in its pioneer state.
Have you used Jquery yet Tom?
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I have used some JQuery plug-ins I've found on the net.
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