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Frank Cook wrote:
It seems logical to me to assume that it's primarily an anti-piracy measure, given that CoffeeCup don't use registration codes etc. It also checks whether the software qualifies for updates.

I suggested some time ago that the term 'subscription' was unfortunate, when it seems to be better described as 'update insurance'.

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I agree with the misuse of "Subscription", I had to go back and make sure that it wasn't an annual thing like Adobe CC. It should actually be called a licensing check since it is perpetual. I would suspect that it is easier handled in the back office systems as a subscription since CC offers that service as well. Oh well...Subscription, License, as long as I don't have to pay yearly I'm good. Although in the case of Wayan Jaya, no internet would be problematic.

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Keith Van Wemmer wrote:
Frank Cook wrote:
It seems logical to me to assume that it's primarily an anti-piracy measure, given that CoffeeCup don't use registration codes etc. It also checks whether the software qualifies for updates.

I suggested some time ago that the term 'subscription' was unfortunate, when it seems to be better described as 'update insurance'.

Frank


I agree with the misuse of "Subscription", I had to go back and make sure that it wasn't an annual thing like Adobe CC. It should actually be called a licensing check since it is perpetual. I would suspect that it is easier handled in the back office systems as a subscription since CC offers that service as well. Oh well...Subscription, License, as long as I don't have to pay yearly I'm good. Although in the case of Wayan Jaya, no internet would be problematic.


YOU DO HAVE TO PAY ANNUALLY in order to keep your subscription up for any further updates during that year
my understanding is that when you purchased or upgraded to V4 it included a "subscription for updates for 1 year
originally the period of the subscription was from the date you purchased the UPDATE to /V$, this was however changed torun out on December this year because of that laggy issue with the first of the updates on subscription basis
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Wayan Jaya wrote:
Keith Van Wemmer wrote:
Frank Cook wrote:
It seems logical to me to assume that it's primarily an anti-piracy measure, given that CoffeeCup don't use registration codes etc. It also checks whether the software qualifies for updates.

I suggested some time ago that the term 'subscription' was unfortunate, when it seems to be better described as 'update insurance'.

Frank


I agree with the misuse of "Subscription", I had to go back and make sure that it wasn't an annual thing like Adobe CC. It should actually be called a licensing check since it is perpetual. I would suspect that it is easier handled in the back office systems as a subscription since CC offers that service as well. Oh well...Subscription, License, as long as I don't have to pay yearly I'm good. Although in the case of Wayan Jaya, no internet would be problematic.


YOU DO HAVE TO PAY ANNUALLY in order to keep your subscription up for any further updates during that year
my understanding is that when you purchased or upgraded to V4 it included a "subscription for updates for 1 year
originally the period of the subscription was from the date you purchased the UPDATE to /V$, this was however changed torun out on December this year because of that laggy issue with the first of the updates on subscription basis


Not according to this...but I'm guessing if you bought the S-Drive then there is an annual renewal. This is what my plan says;

Last Bill Date:Never
Last Bill Amount:$0.00
Next Bill Date:Never
Next Bill Amount:$0.00

Hi there and Long live the perpetual software license ........
This is the knowledgebase article about our new entitlements policy.

Right now, when you purchase our Site Designer software, you are purchasing a peperpetual license to use the current version and build number of our increasingly popular Site Designer Software. We call this a - buy once, use forever license. This means that all the work you create with the software can be used and modified FOREVER with the current Version and build number.
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Well in that case why does our subscription have an expiry date. My understanding which may be wrong is that when you purchase sdv4
It included updates for 1 year after that there is an annual fee to keep receiving updates. Why would they say your subscription is valid until (xxx cc XXX) if thereafter I didn't pay my subscription would not be valid one assumes therefore that one has to pay I can't remember the amount or even if
it has been mentioned
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Wayan Jaya wrote:
Wayan Jaya wrote:
Well in that case why does our subscription have an expiry date. My understanding which may be wrong is that when you purchase sdv4
It included updates for 1 year after that there is an annual fee to keep receiving updates. Why would they say your subscription is valid until (xxx cc XXX) if thereafter I didn't pay my subscription would not be valid one assumes therefore that one has to pay I can't remember the amount or even if
it has been mentioned


Here is a post by Hans Top (the Big boss)
Hello Everybody !

My comments to your questions:

1) CoffeeCup Software is NOT subscription based software, when you purchase software from us you are acquiring a PERPETUAL license for the software.

2) Software updates, support, free templates and any other great things we may come up with ARE INDEED a subscription and this "subscription" for Site Designer costs $69 per year at the moment.

You will receive ONE YEAR of free updates with your purchase, and you may use the last upgraded version during that year PERPETUALLY. If you upgrade your version beyond the free upgrade period, the software goes into trial version mode which lasts 7 days. Once you have then purchased the upgrade from your MyProducts area on coffeecup.com, the trial mode will automatically switch to registered/entitled mode.

I hope the way I explained this is understandable. We have implemented this so that we can keep on selling perpetual software licenses, but still have a way to receive compensation for the work we keep doing to improve the software and services we offer.


So now when your subscription ends on whatever date you have, then you will be given the opportunity to renew your subscription for a further year to keep receiving free updates. for a fee of 69$ per annum (as it stands at the moment)
If you do not pay to subscribe then you CAN STILL CONTINUE to use the last SDv4 build (XXXXX.XX)that you downloaded last perpetually.

if there is an update that is available but you are not subscribed, you can still download it & use it for 7 days, after which you either choose to pay the annual subscription fee to keep using it , or not pay and it will stop working.

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And make it a habit to always keep a few recent versions on your computer, just in case the last version (before your subscription expires) contains bugs you cannot live with for the rest of your life :cool::cool::cool::cool:
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Wayan Jaya wrote:
Wayan Jaya wrote:
Wayan Jaya wrote:
Well in that case why does our subscription have an expiry date. My understanding which may be wrong is that when you purchase sdv4
It included updates for 1 year after that there is an annual fee to keep receiving updates. Why would they say your subscription is valid until (xxx cc XXX) if thereafter I didn't pay my subscription would not be valid one assumes therefore that one has to pay I can't remember the amount or even if
it has been mentioned


Here is a post by Hans Top (the Big boss)
Hello Everybody !

My comments to your questions:

1) CoffeeCup Software is NOT subscription based software, when you purchase software from us you are acquiring a PERPETUAL license for the software.

2) Software updates, support, free templates and any other great things we may come up with ARE INDEED a subscription and this "subscription" for Site Designer costs $69 per year at the moment.

You will receive ONE YEAR of free updates with your purchase, and you may use the last upgraded version during that year PERPETUALLY. If you upgrade your version beyond the free upgrade period, the software goes into trial version mode which lasts 7 days. Once you have then purchased the upgrade from your MyProducts area on coffeecup.com, the trial mode will automatically switch to registered/entitled mode.

I hope the way I explained this is understandable. We have implemented this so that we can keep on selling perpetual software licenses, but still have a way to receive compensation for the work we keep doing to improve the software and services we offer.


So now when your subscription ends on whatever date you have, then you will be given the opportunity to renew your subscription for a further year to keep receiving free updates. for a fee of 69$ per annum (as it stands at the moment)
If you do not pay to subscribe then you CAN STILL CONTINUE to use the last SDv4 build (XXXXX.XX)that you downloaded last perpetually.

if there is an update that is available but you are not subscribed, you can still download it & use it for 7 days, after which you either choose to pay the annual subscription fee to keep using it , or not pay and it will stop working.


Excellent advice on maintaining past versions ( I would still like a v.4 that performs well)
This seems pretty standard in the world of software assuming that CC is referring to version and not build.

This is my read/assumption...Example: you purchase v.4 and CC stays at v.4 for 2 years, you would still get build updates, fixes, patches, etc. within that version. If the version changed to v.5 you would pay for the upgrade.
If in 12 months of purchase the the v.4 went to v.5 or v.5 to v.6 it would be free. Again, pretty common.

IF you had v.4.3225 and at month 13 they did v.4.3227 and wanted you to pay? Not sure what I would do, in reality $70 a year isn't bad if you do development for a living (which I don't).

Lots of good discussion and info...Thank you to all that have contributed.

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Hey you guys,

I appreciate that you are thorough, but is it really necessary to quote all of someone's post, with whatever he/she has quoted from someone who has quoted something else, which again contains a quote or two? See attachement.

It's starting to become hard to find what is new in such a 'serial quote'. :P
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Appreciate the feedback and understood, it was more to address a partial response, sorry if it got difficult to follow.

This more or less a dead horse at this point and is what it is.

Thanks again,
Have a good rest of the weekend.
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Well after getting bombarded with emails to go from V3.5 to V4, which started almost straight after I upgraded to V3.5, i finally decided today to do the upgrade - what a surprise -I found the price had gone up. The discounted price of $69 is now $99.
After what i am reading here about it being subscription-based for upgrades etc, i dont think i will bother.
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