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Inger wrote:
Wayan Jaya wrote:
Inger wrote:


If we are looking for whose fault it is that the versions sometimes don't display as expected, we shouldn't exclude the server configurations and server cache. As far as I can judge, the programmes and the versions of Visions are ok. But if we actually download what we think we download, that is also a question.


There is no cache involved all my browsers clear cache history passwords everything everytime on closing the browser. so it wasn't Cache

.......... loads snipped ......

11/ I went back to the server files intending then to compare the JS files.
I happened to glance at the page that was rubbish before & would you believe it now it it looked great exactly as it should. The ONLY thing I did was open the CSS folder & did the comparison, suddenly it was working.


I didn't say browser cache above, but server cache. Your #11 sounds like that could be the culprit. At some servers it takes time before a change comes through and becomes visible.


Never ever happened like that before for me in all my years making sites., we are not talking a few seconds here it was hours like that
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If anyone know much about a .htaccess file, I pieced this together years ago, and just had some help from a friend at my ISP, adding that top redirect. I don't know if something it here could be causing the weirdness.:

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^https://www.denverprocessservers.net [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://denverprocessservers.net /$1 [L,R=301]

SetOutputFilter DEFLATE
SetEnvIfNoCase Request_URI \.(?:gif|jpe?g|png)$ \
no-gzip dont-vary
SetEnvIfNoCase Request_URI \
\.(?:exe|t?gz|zip|bz2|sit|rar)$ \
no-gzip dont-vary
SetEnvIfNoCase Request_URI \.pdf$ no-gzip dont-vary
BrowserMatch ^Mozilla/4 gzip-only-text/html
BrowserMatch ^Mozilla/4\.0[678] no-gzip
BrowserMatch \bMSIE !no-gzip !gzip-only-text/html

FileETag none

## EXPIRES CACHING ##
<IfModule mod_expires.c>
ExpiresActive On
ExpiresByType image/jpg "access 1 year"
ExpiresByType image/jpeg "access 1 year"
ExpiresByType image/gif "access 1 year"
ExpiresByType image/png "access 1 year"
ExpiresByType text/css "access 1 year"
ExpiresByType text/javascript "access 1 year"
ExpiresByType application/pdf "access 1 year"
ExpiresByType text/x-javascript "access 1 year"
ExpiresByType application/x-shockwave-flash "access 1 year"
ExpiresByType image/x-icon "access 1 year"
ExpiresDefault "access 1 year"
</IfModule>
## EXPIRES CACHING ##

<IfModule mod_headers.c>
<FilesMatch "\.(js|css|xml|gz)$">
Header append Vary Accept-Encoding
</FilesMatch>
</IfModule>




<IfModule mod_deflate.c>
<IfModule mod_setenvif.c>
BrowserMatch ^Mozilla/4 gzip-only-text/html
BrowserMatch ^Mozilla/4\.0[678] no-gzip
BrowserMatch \bMSIE !no-gzip !gzip-only-text/html
BrowserMatch \bMSI[E] !no-gzip !gzip-only-text/html
</IfModule>

<IfModule mod_headers.c>
Header append Vary User-Agent env=!dont-vary
</IfModule>

<IfModule mod_filter.c>
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/css application/x-javascript text/x-component text/html text/richtext image/svg+xml text/plain text/xsd text/xsl text/xml image/x-icon
</IfModule>

</IfModule>

<FilesMatch "\.(css|js|htc|CSS|JS|HTC)$">
FileETag None


</FilesMatch>
<FilesMatch "\.(html|htm|rtf|rtx|svg|svgz|txt|xsd|xsl|xml|HTML|HTM|RTF|RTX|SVG|SVGZ|TXT|XSD|XSL|XML)$">
FileETag None
</FilesMatch>
<FilesMatch "\.(asf|asx|wax|wmv|wmx|avi|bmp|class|divx|doc|docx|eot|exe|gif|gz|gzip|ico|jpg|jpeg|jpe|mdb|mid|midi|mov|qt|mp3|m4a|mp4|m4v|mpeg|mpg|mpe|mpp|otf|odb|odc|odf|odg|odp|ods|odt|ogg|pdf|png|pot|pps|ppt|pptx|ra|ram|svg|svgz|swf|tar|tif|tiff|ttf|ttc|wav|wma|wri|xla|xls|xlsx|xlt|xlw|zip|ASF|ASX|WAX|WMV|WMX|AVI|BMP|CLASS|DIVX|DOC|DOCX|EOT|EXE|GIF|GZ|GZIP|ICO|JPG|JPEG|JPE|MDB|MID|MIDI|MOV|QT|MP3|M4A|MP4|M4V|MPEG|MPG|MPE|MPP|OTF|ODB|ODC|ODF|ODG|ODP|ODS|ODT|OGG|PDF|PNG|POT|PPS|PPT|PPTX|RA|RAM|SVG|SVGZ|SWF|TAR|TIF|TIFF|TTF|TTC|WAV|WMA|WRI|XLA|XLS|XLSX|XLT|XLW|ZIP)$">
FileETag None
</FilesMatch>

<ifModule mod_headers.c>
Header set Connection keep-alive
</ifModule>
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I updated the test directory with what I have so far. It's only worked out for full PC screen so far. I'm having difficulty with centering and aligning the 3 badges in the bottom containers.
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Melissa, some of us here have said - several times, and in more than one of your recent discussion threads - that you need to think about the mobile screen size FIRST. SD3 (and RSD 2.5) are different from RSD 1.5, they are built for designing for 'mobile up', not 'desktop down'. I know from my own experience that it can be frustratingly difficult to get used to that, but it's the only way to make a good looking, working site.

As to your current test site, it did look good, also on mobiles, before you added all that text between the navbar and the image. Even with the first three lines of text, as it was yesterday, it looked ok. Why? Because the image was still full visible, at least on my monitor. Now I see just the upper part of it before scrolling.

I'm guessing that you want to use that image for decoration, as a teaser, because it is a good image. It's probably a view of Denver (I've never been there, so I wouldn't know). But you have to ask yourself if it has any purpose if the visitors see only the bird 'above the fold'. Maybe you ought to use a smaller version, so that you can position text beside it? The image is not actually relevant to the topic of the site, except perhaps on the page 'Coverage', but just as decoration it could still be used.
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Inger wrote:
Melissa, some of us here have said - several times, and in more than one of your recent discussion threads - that you need to think about the mobile screen size FIRST. SD3 (and RSD 2.5) are different from RSD 1.5, they are built for designing for 'mobile up', not 'desktop down'. I know from my own experience that it can be frustratingly difficult to get used to that, but it's the only way to make a good looking, working site.

As to your current test site, it did look good, also on mobiles, before you added all that text between the navbar and the image. Even with the first three lines of text, as it was yesterday, it looked ok. Why? Because the image was still full visible, at least on my monitor. Now I see just the upper part of it before scrolling.
.


And therein lies the problem with Themes or Templates, make any changes to anything beyond what the Theme/Template has in place without knowing how to adjust/position the elements accordingly to fit the new dimensions, throws everything out.

As Inger says we have(we being not only Inger & I but other forum users also) on many occasions have said one works from Mobile-first UPWARDS, not desktop DOWNWARDS

If you do work that wrong way around, you then run the risk of throwing out all the settings/positioning etc at the lower breakpoints, then once you do any adjustments (assuming you know how) at the lower breakpoints. you then run the risk of throwing out the settings at the higher breakpoints. Running the risk of back to square 1

This is beginning to feel like GROUNDHOG DAY
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[quote Inger]I'm guessing that you want to use that image for decoration, as a teaser, because it is a good image. It's probably a view of Denver (I've never been there, so I wouldn't know). But you have to ask yourself if it has any purpose if the visitors see only the bird 'above the fold'. Maybe you ought to use a smaller version, so that you can position text beside it? The image is not actually relevant to the topic of the site, except perhaps on the page 'Coverage', but just as decoration it could still be used[/quote].

It is a quite subtle message (Legal Eagle, floating over Denver Cityscape) possibly too subtle for any visitor to grasp the relevance.

As I have also mentioned on many occasions the image as Melissa insists on having it does nothing to get the visitors attention, in fact, if it's anything at all it's distracting & in the way, especially when a post was made asking about if the images (person serving papers) "Motivated" visitors. The answer was NO not really, nice as it is, it doesn't motivate/inspire or actually do anything really.

They say a picture paints a thousand words (or something like that) but in this case, not one word really.
Google & other search engines like a mixture of "Content" (words & relevant images) visitors like & remember images more than words, as long as the images are striking enough.

Melissa has a quote on her site which is brilliant as a quotation /title, it would be a thousand times an improvement, should the image be made a background & that quote placed somewhere over the top.

This would
1/ improve the relevance of the image
2/ combine imagery with content, making it easier for visitors to remember (Image first, words second but both memorable & remembered together
3/ place some decent "Multi-Media Content" above the so-called fold both of which combined goes a long way towards search engines score & they would probably even pick up on it & possibly make it part of the site description, partial SEO work done without any effort. But has it sunk in yet?
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Yes, the image is the Denver skyline, from 2006 when I started this work. As we can see from the template itself, a striking image can gain attention and it doesn't need to be totally relevant to the content wording, though in this case it's relevant to the people who would be my clients, because they understand that it's Denver. I also have another striking image of someone actually being served, but think it would be a second addition somewhere on the site. But I really do need help with this, as web design is obviously not my area of expertise and I'm, as the old saying goes, "getting nowhere fast" with trying to do it myself.

A few people have urged me not to turn to Wordpress for this, and I'd LIKE to get it completed in an excellent fashion, in SDV3, but need some help soon, as we need it improved and up and running, so we can start improving SEO too. So I'm in a bit of a corner here, and would appreciate not getting sour comments, as I really need to get this fixed and working by a professional, in an affordable way, and soon.
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Inger wrote:

As to your current test site, it did look good, also on mobiles, before you added all that text between the navbar and the image. Even with the first three lines of text, as it was yesterday, it looked ok. Why? Because the image was still full visible, at least on my monitor. Now I see just the upper part of it before scrolling.


That's true, Inger, and the image could be reduced in size and still make a striking impression on the page, but it's obvious that I don't have the expertise in this work and am unlikely to be able to gain it, in time. Yes, I need affordable professional help with this, and it seems futile for me to continue trying to work this out by myself in these forums.

So the question now, is where to get the affordable professional help, from someone who will work what I think I need, into something that will also be striking, and best for gaining clients. It has to combine those things, and not become what someone who doesn't know about my work, thinks that it should have. And as I've also been told, not to design it strictly for Google either, because then it wouldn't help me either.

I have tried working with a couple of people briefly, but communications is an imprecise art, and can be difficult.
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Melissa, I hope you don't see my comments as 'sour'. It is not my intention. What I'm trying to do is giving you advice, telling you things you need to be aware of, what I find good and what I find not so good. I have to say, though, that it seems you are not listening to the advice given, and then run into 'corners' as a result. But if you don't like what I'm telling you, I can stay out of your discussion threads. Just let me know.
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No, I didn't say you, Inger. Just in general. But I'm sorry if I don't always understand, or use the advice correctly. This is why I need someone who can affordably help me with this, so I don't have to get into Wordpress, as that would involve yet another learning curve that I don't have time for. ( And possibly unforseen pitfalls )

Part of why I'm having so many problems with the advice on this forum, is my inexperience, and lack of time to learn it. After all, I have to do my work, and have been trying to juggle this in with it, but it's not working, I don't have time to learn it properly and DO need some affordable help outside these forums. I do appreciate all the advice that you and Wayan ( and others ) have offered here. It's just that I'm only one person and am burning the candle from both ends, as we say.
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