NOT a true "professional website"! -...

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VSD's output works PERFECTLY across all browser and platforms. If you stick to web safe fonts, your website will look virtually identical in Chrome, IE, Safari, Opera and on Windows and OSX.

It is great you have an opinion here, but that doesn't automatically make yours the right one. ;)
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Also Prehistoric, that's what the forums help with when people aren't sure about how things work. Sometimes rather than coming in guns blaring it's better to just ask questions about your concerns rather than blasting a company because it isn't doing things exactly how you expect them to be. Keep in mind you're only 1 opinion, set of standards, set of ideas, and personality among hundreds and thousands that CoffeeCup needs to deal with. Not everyone has the same exact ideas of how something should or could work. Just sayin' :P
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Nice web sites, http://grapeseedextract.coffeecup.com/storage/images/head_icon02.png , you do great work!


One little thing, though, on the http://www.tradnarrowboatshells.hostei.com site, some of the text is bleeding over into the neighboring image on my Win 7 PC/Firefox 14.0.1 and even more so on my Ubuntu laptop (also FireFox) also there's text running off the page!

Go here for a screenshot:

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Looks good on my iPad and on Win7/IE9 and on Win7/Chrome, though!
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...but I'll wager that most of the VSD audience doesn't know to test on different platforms and to design for multiple resolutions and aspect ratios.


That's not just a VSD user issue. :lol:
If you nose around the web, you'll find designing for multiple screen resolutions (whether mobi, adaptive, responsive....) is a hot topic, yet there are still plenty of professionally designed static sites out there.

Anyway, it's just a fact, no WYSIWYG can do it all.
But VSD does make it easy to add custom HTML/CSS/JS, so one can go beyond its basic capabilities.
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Prehistoric Profile wrote:

So, are you saying that it's OK for VSDs output to be substandard"?

No i am saying its OK for a professional LEGALLY to call themselves professional even if what they produce is substandard !

The tool itself (VSD) is and i will probably get shouted at for this, intended for amateurs to use to produce a professional LOOKING website for themselves.

Take what i do PROFESSIONALLY , i make some of the best quality signet rings in the world, i charge money for them, that makes me a professional.

If you listen to my internet customers comments on receiving their orders, they can NOT believe what shopkeepers and other internet sellers have offered, quality wise, at similar prices to mine, thin , even razor thin, lightweight poorly finished at about £55.00 per gram for gold, when i supply a heavier, thicker, better finished ring for appx £32.50 per gram.

That does not mean those other sellers are NOT professionals, they are they are just charging MORE for Less .

And yet, i still get the odd complaint, from an occasional customer who feels they have not got their moneys worth, or it is not what they expected, I just re funded one order yesterday, an 11.5 gram 9ct gold signet ring sold for £338.50 including P&P that they say a high street shop on seeing it have told them they can produce better, well at £233.00 cost, i can't wait to hear what they provide him, rule of thumb is you get what you pay for, and i cant offer any better, and my nearest competitor is charging £569.00 for the same weight and quality of ring. the difference in price between me and them, is my lack of overheads, no staff to pay, and i am not VAT registered but their bigger business with larger turn over needs to be VAT registered, that's at least 20% of the difference before you start.

If someone chooses to pay me for writing them an amateur website AFTER THEY HAVE EARNED SOME MONEY FROM IT that's fine by me, i ask for no payment unless its a success !!!

I am NOT a professional website designer, i am a Jeweller !!!!! for which i demand £60.00 per hour :)

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This forum is for positive suggestions and advice to help others. I believe that if that ideology cannot be followed then why contribute at all. We all know a programs shortcomings and have our work arounds and work with's.

Now P.P we have heard your negative opinions which you are well entitled to. But, show us what you can do. It is time to put up or shut up. Give us a link, show us just how justified you are in your comments. Turn a page and be positive, demonstrate how to get the best out of what exists.

Some things perhaps are hard to sink in. Like, for all your comments you have experienced a forum of individuals that are here to assist and support. Please be proactive to stop us having to be reactive. I think I speak for all and say I for one do not like it. If you cannot or will not change, find another Lions cage to poke a stick in.

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Prism wrote:
...Now P.P we have heard your negative opinions which you are well entitled to. But, show us what you can do. It is time to put up or shut up. Give us a link, show us just how justified you are in your comments. Turn a page and be positive, demonstrate how to get the best out of what exists...

I agree!
I think many of us are looking forward to seeing some of your actual work, Prehistoric, so that we can learn from your wisdom! ;)
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Prism wrote:
find another Lions cage to poke a stick in.

" took his stick with a horses head handle and poked it in wallace's ear "
your giving away your heritage Prism :)
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Ahh! you got me. I used to have the record of that comedian can't for the life of me remember him now. Used to have me in stitches. There have been some funny skits. Your alter ego for instance and also Norman Wisdom. Trouble is you grow older suggested experience becomes mixed with real experience and humour suffers.

Been meaning to ask. How did your boat trip go. I loved fishing in the canal. Mainly caught Dace I think
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Prism wrote:
Ahh! you got me. I used to have the record of that comedian can't for the life of me remember him now. Used to have me in stitches. There have been some funny skits. Your alter ego for instance and also Norman Wisdom.

Stanley Holloway I believe recorded the monologue "Albert and the Lion"

There's a famous seaside place called Blackpool,
That's noted for fresh air and fun,
And Mr and Mrs Ramsbottom
Went there with young Albert, their son.

A grand little lad was young Albert,
All dressed in his best; quite a swell
With a stick with an 'orse's 'ead 'andle,
The finest that Woolworth's could sell.

They didn't think much of the Ocean:
The waves, they were fiddlin' and small,
There was no wrecks and nobody drownded,
Fact, nothing to laugh at at all.

So, seeking for further amusement,
They paid and went into the Zoo,
Where they'd Lions and Tigers and Camels,
And old ale and sandwiches too.

There were one great big Lion called Wallace;
His nose were all covered with scars -
He lay in a somnolent posture,
With the side of his face on the bars.

Now Albert had heard about Lions,
How they was ferocious and wild -
To see Wallace lying so peaceful,
Well, it didn't seem right to the child.

So straightway the brave little feller,
Not showing a morsel of fear,
Took his stick with its 'orse's 'ead 'andle
And pushed it in Wallace's ear.

You could see that the Lion didn't like it,
For giving a kind of a roll,
He pulled Albert inside the cage with 'im,
And swallowed the little lad 'ole.

Then Pa, who had seen the occurrence,
And didn't know what to do next,
Said 'Mother! Yon Lion's 'et Albert',
And Mother said 'Well, I am vexed!'

Then Mr and Mrs Ramsbottom -
Quite rightly, when all's said and done -
Complained to the Animal Keeper,
That the Lion had eaten their son.

The keeper was quite nice about it;
He said 'What a nasty mishap.
Are you sure that it's your boy he's eaten?'
Pa said "Am I sure? There's his cap!'

The manager had to be sent for.
He came and he said 'What's to do?'
Pa said 'Yon Lion's 'et Albert,
'And 'im in his Sunday clothes, too.'

Then Mother said, 'Right's right, young feller;
I think it's a shame and a sin,
For a lion to go and eat Albert,
And after we've paid to come in.'

The manager wanted no trouble,
He took out his purse right away,
Saying 'How much to settle the matter?'
And Pa said "What do you usually pay?'

But Mother had turned a bit awkward
When she thought where her Albert had gone.
She said 'No! someone's got to be summonsed' -
So that was decided upon.

Then off they went to the P'lice Station,
In front of the Magistrate chap;
They told 'im what happened to Albert,
And proved it by showing his cap.

The Magistrate gave his opinion
That no one was really to blame
And he said that he hoped the Ramsbottoms
Would have further sons to their name.

At that Mother got proper blazing,
'And thank you, sir, kindly,' said she.
'What waste all our lives raising children
To feed ruddy Lions? Not me!'


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