We still haven't actually SEEN what is the trouble. Please do as Tom says, save the html page as .txt and attach it, or let us have the web address to your site.

Today websites should be done with html and css. That way maintenance will be very quick and easy.
Learning css is easy, google w3schools.

Actually, they can, and do so quite well.

Although once popular, tabular design is a thing of the past. CSS gives you much more flexibility and is so much easier to revise page layout.

Having been through this and basically never going that route again, I wonder....
if this switching between code and visual tabs is so on-goingly destructive, would it not
be a good idea to have the HTML Editor made clever enough to not allow this switching
of tabs in the first place......, and avoid all the grief that seems to come up with it.....

Just a thought, am sorry if I miss the point here

Regards
Peter

There is already a clear warning against switching between visual and text modes so I really don't see what the problem is. But then again, I suppose some folks just had to turn to look at Medusa, too.

I don't know how the editor would know when to allow or disallow such an option. I mean, if the fleshy headed human can't decide if it is safe or not after being warned of the consequences, how is the editor supposed to make that decision?

I suppose switching could be disabled as long as an active page is loaded, but that may present other challenges that you and I are not privy to.

And we still haven't

Yes Tom that's very true,

But I don't get a clear warning if I switch between the visual tab to the code tab, in fact, all that happens is my html code is totally garbled up and rewritten, nothing warns me of anything...

I use the latest copy of Coffee Cup HTML Editor SE, Build 369

Something occurs to me though, we all have differing levels of experience, and sometimes the obvious to many, is not so obvious to others.

In a sense, if you don't know what you are looking for, then its doubly hard to go 'blind' into a help file,
although the answer may indeed be there...

It took me ages to find out that they couldn't be switched between, I thought it was something I was doing, no-one here new anything about it.

I cant see any reason why the software couldn't be written to at least flag the fact that when
the code and visual tabs are being displayed together, toggling between them will rewrite the html.

Maybe have a little warning suggestion popping up to say why....

To many inexperienced CoffeeCup users its NOT so easy.............. Until you know!

Kind Regards
Peter

Hiya Peter,

Here's the warning you get the first time you try to swap. As you can see it can be disabled with the checkbox which is what most people do before even reading most of the warning unfortunately. I would agree with you that it's not totally clear that you "shouldn't" do it until the very last paragraph, and I'd really love to see that last paragraph be part of the first so it's very clear. Either way though, the full warning is very clear about it:


http://coffeecuphelp.com/jo/screenshots/htmle_swap_warning2.png


http://coffeecuphelp.com/jo/screenshots/htmle_swap_warning1.png

Hello Jo Ann,

Heavens,

I certainly have never seen warning dialogues like those... Not that I can remember anyway.

Maybe it would be useful to not be able to turn them off, ie 'dont show me again'.

Sometimes certain functions may need hammering home a bit, until its annoying, but
the message gets across.

I have switched the visual editor tab off, though that's a shame really, as for me... still an 'infant',
it would be very nice to be able to use the visual and code.
Because if I remember correctly, it was the combination of the visual and code editors that taught me quite a lot. As I could do things in the visual editor then go back to see what it had done with the code.....

Then, a few CoffeeCup HTML upgrades later, all went 'tits up' so to speak! And ever since then, they dont like each other...

I hope you are well

Peter

No worries Peter, I'm sure you won't be the first or the last to turn it off hehe. I only have the message showing because I don't use the Visual side at all and have therefore never switched (well years ago I may have but not for the last 2 years at least) so it hasn't been disabled yet. Guess I'll leave it enabled just for future need of posting the message lol.

I do agree with you on the warning though. It really does need to have something done to it so that people are fully aware that swapping is not recommended and in most cases that it will mess up your page. And it should be clear about that right off the bat rather than only when opening the full message.

I personally would love to see them remove the Visual tab all together if they don't plan to integrate them to be able to use both in some capacity or another. Since VSD is the main visual editor now there just doesn't seem to be a reason other than to cause a headache to those of us that have to keep posting warnings lol.

Good luck on your site, and if you truly are needing a visual editor, give the trial version of Visual Site Designer (VSD) a run and see if maybe that will do better for you. Although you can't swap from code to visual in there either, it does have tools for entering HTML code and Java and Flash etc. and is a pretty nice visual builder.

Hello Jo Ann,

I just have a quick preview of the page, then upload and look at it there. And have actually learnt a bit more I think.

Hopefully the whole visual thing may be integrated a bit better as time goes by, as it seems
to be an issue that keeps popping up...

Peter