I like the sales pitch of getting two apps for the priced and bundled as one. Either you use the visual editor, or you use the code editor. Switching between will have you reaching for the vodka.

I will run a test page later tonight and see what it actually does. I am sure I have done it, but my mind is slipping at old age..

"start your page in the visual editor tab and follow that code style when doing any editing by hand"

I'll give one a try too and see what it does. In order to start one in visual style I need one that is already in visual style as I don't know what the code is like lol. I'll start one up with a theme and upload it to my test playground and then I'll get the code and go from there and we can compare notes later

I still have the question in Visual Mode.. How to select multiple table cells to do a "merge cells"

I couldn't see any way to do that.

I'm having the same issue. Is the consensus that once you create a table, you can not modify it in the Visual Editor tab? You must edit the HTML code? Thanks.

jo ann

on VSD, the first thing I noticed was that VSD has no concept of tables whereas the visual editor in "HTML Editor" does ----- that is one reason I think that VSD is targeted to the entry end of the web authoring public. There are other things missing as well --- but this was enough for me to conclude that VSD is a subset of what is in the HTML Editor product.

While the code editor and the visual editor are, today, two different code bases, is that really the long term direction?

d blackthorn

As you can see the controversy between the 2 different editor styles of the HTML Editor can get pretty nit picky and I'm thinking tables is one of those things. I wish there were an easier way around that, but I don't think there is. I haven't had a chance to load it up and try the swapping as Dave and I were talking about, but I'll try to get that tonight or tomorrow afternoon and see what I can find out.

Right now the best thing I could do is to tell you what I always tell people. Make a choice and stick with it, and with the HTML Editor, the best choice really is the code setup rather than the visual setup. VSD would be your choice to make a site with for visual as it has a whole lot more features than the visual editor of the HTML Editor does. Yes it does sound like it's lacking some features, but here's a thought...

Fire up VSD (if you have it) Make that site how you want it for the most part, get all the main ingredients done etc. Then export it to use in HTML Editor and edit all those extras you want added to it in code. This will give you your main site setup, the ability to then add your tables and anything else not supported by VSD, and give you a very good way to see how the coding works. Just a though if you're adventurous yet still timid and not wanting to start a site from scratch in HTML Editor

Keep in mind though that once edited outside of VSD it can't go back. And also keep in mind that many of the things that are not part of VSD can still be added with the HTML, FLASH, etc. tools built into the program that allow you to add coded things to it

Hi

This is what seems to be required for tables when using the Visual Editor in "The HTML Editor"

Tables should be created, and edited (CONTENT and STRUCTURE) outside of the visual editor using the TableDesigner functionality where the table MUST BE SAVED (to a .ctf) file BEFORE you click the OK button which will past the new or updated table into your open and active html document.

When editing, the current state of the table in your html MUST BE DELETED manually.
You can do this before or after you run the TableDesigner. If you do it after, then you will both have the before and after view in your document (which might be handy for comparison) until you delete one of them.

IMPORTANT: DO NOT ADD CONTENT to the table in your html document if there is any chance that you might update the structure (add a row, merge cells, add columns....)

Suggestion 1. to Coffee Cup: Provide a preference to make tables "read only" within the visual editor to avoid the trap of making content changes to tables that will be lost the next time it is restructured in the TableDesigner.

Suggestion 2 to Coffee Cup: Provide a way to save the table to .ctf file within the visual editor
(highlight table, right click, Save As/Save options) so that I can edit content within the normal
context of the visual editor.

d blackthorn

Sounds interesting.. I haven't been back to look at it yet....

I guess I have gotten used to using CKeditor in CMS and the way it does tables, full edit front end(visual) or back end(code) at any time.