I think you just need to play with the padding between your header and main content in your CSS.

Tried that Tassie, played with it for almost an hour and it just won't fix lol.

I did go over all the settings in my menu too and there's nothing at all in there that gives any indication that there's any space needed anywhere other than with the width of the submenu items. I've no clue why it is doing that at all.

I do know we just had an update of the menu builder I use, I'm wondering now if maybe something in the update isn't what is messing up the menu? Dunno what that would be, but I'm stumped.

Dave, I'm trying really hard to get this to work, but your examples are kind of strange to me lol. First I see no php includes anywhere in your main page's code, they all show the code with the header and footer codes in it as normal instead of separately with the includes so I'm confused how that works.

I see that the header.php file you show is enclosed in html tags which I hadn't done so I tried that with the footer.php which is what I'm trying to get to work, but that didn't work. Then I looked at your footer.php and I see that it doesn't have "all" the html tags at the top, only from the body on down soooo, I removed that part of my footer.php and it now is from the body tag on down, but it still doesn't show up lol. I'm sooooooo blonde with this I'm sure it's something really silly that I'm doing wrong.

Here's the pages so you can see what I'm doing:

The original home page of course is:
http://accessoriesoftheworld.com

The page I'm testing this all with is at:
http /accessoriesoftheworld.com/indextestphp.html

footer.php is
http /accessoriesoftheworld.com/footer.php

Jo Ann, you have this code just below your header div:



What happens if you place that code within the header div like the following code?

PHP would basically rebuild your page from pieces, but it would rebuild them into what you have now, so the spacing problem would still exist, unless actual html and/or css changes were made.

If I move the anchor inside the header as you suggest it does this:

http://wolverana.com/wolvimages/divchanges.JPG

Cary, in case you happened to look at the image above earlier I just updated it again as I realized it was using a setting I was experimenting with in the CSS file before and I had to put it back so the menu background bar would show up again. Sorry bout that, hopefully you didn't already see it and start wondering what was wrong even more so than it should have been lol.

Well, I don't know how you can fix this. Without javascript you have this code:



But when the javascript is run that code is changed to this:



Any idea where that height is specified?

no clue lol, let me look around and see if there's something somewhere, but I don't recall seeing a 51 at all in the menu setup nor the CSS file either for that matter but lemme check the java scripts themselves.

Ok I "think" I found it! Phew that was probably just total luck too lol. I found a setting that was called:

"Should menu affect its positioning element height" and it had radio buttons for yes and no and it was marked yes. I've no clue why, I don't think I ever changed it, but then anything is possible that I may have even hit it accidentally when I was making other settings on that window, who knows.

Anyways that's a setting that tells it if the menu should take up actual space inside the element or not and so it was doing so.

Thanks sooooo very much Cary, as usual you're spot on and gave me a very good idea on at least "where" to look as in knowing it had to be in the menu program somewhere. Most appreciated for all your help everyone else too

Now if I could only get this php includes figured out LOL, total lost cause for today though, too much meds for sinus infection and I'm pretty out of it so don't think I'll attempt it tonight lol.

I think one big gotcha is once you start using PHP elements in your page, in most cases you need to rename the page name .php instead of .html so the server know it's supposed to be interpreting PHP code in the page.