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Chad bring out some good points, you will have a ram limitation with XP and 32 bit so the question is one of research the software you intend to use and see if there is problems with 64bit systems.
Chad Spillars
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What You don't want to happen, is you don't want to find yourself a few years down the road, and just about every program out there has been super charged for 64 bit, but you can't benefit from any of the upgrades because you're limited by a 32 bit system, kicking yourself for not taking my advice
Adobe has created Photoshop for 64 bit and the rest of their CS suite will be updated to 64 bit when CS5 comes out. Also working on 64 bit for Flash.
Scott told me he was thinking about creating 64-bit versions of CC software when Windows 7 comes out. (This is NOT official, he just mentioned in one of the forums that he wanted to give it a try....)
Just a few more things to keep in mind.
Adobe has created Photoshop for 64 bit and the rest of their CS suite will be updated to 64 bit when CS5 comes out. Also working on 64 bit for Flash.
Scott told me he was thinking about creating 64-bit versions of CC software when Windows 7 comes out. (This is NOT official, he just mentioned in one of the forums that he wanted to give it a try....)
Just a few more things to keep in mind.
Chad Spillars
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Amzie
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Chad Spillars wrote:
Amelia,
Computer: It would be good to have a free install of WIndows 7, my advice is just WAIT until the first service pack comes out so you're not troubleshooting all the bugs in it.
CC Cleaner: Yes, click the registry tab and clean out your registry. When it prompts you ta make a back-up, click YES. This way if it screws anything up you can just revert.
OS: Consider whether you really want XP on your machine. Then you'll be TWO operating systems behind. Software is now being created for, and optimized for Windows 7. Windows will only support XP for so long. I would use Vista 64 until SP1 is released for 7.
64 Bit: The reason the 64 bit system has more ram is because it can USE more ram. 32 bit systems can't use much more than 3gig of ram HOWEVER a 64 bit system can use a LOT more. Here is one example of how 64 bit systems change ram usage with Adobe products:
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404901.html
You'll notice that the ram usage increases from 1.7gigs to UNLIMITED on a 64-bit computer with a 64-bit version of the software. However even the 32 bit version of the software can utilize twice as much ram on a 64 bit system.
64 bit is the direction that technology is going, and even though there are some software compatibility issues, more and more softwares are being created for 64 bit everyday. If you plan on keeping this computer for a while, my advice is stick with the 64 bit. I have a 64 bit system and I love it! There were a few compatibility issues I had to work around, but I'm happy to help with that if you need me
Phil and David: Just to add my 2 cents, I've never had any problem moving an OS from one computer to another.
PS-If you're on a network you probably want gigabit support in your network card. And to answer your question about dual core, yes there is quad core.
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Amelia,
Computer: It would be good to have a free install of WIndows 7, my advice is just WAIT until the first service pack comes out so you're not troubleshooting all the bugs in it.
CC Cleaner: Yes, click the registry tab and clean out your registry. When it prompts you ta make a back-up, click YES. This way if it screws anything up you can just revert.
OS: Consider whether you really want XP on your machine. Then you'll be TWO operating systems behind. Software is now being created for, and optimized for Windows 7. Windows will only support XP for so long. I would use Vista 64 until SP1 is released for 7.
64 Bit: The reason the 64 bit system has more ram is because it can USE more ram. 32 bit systems can't use much more than 3gig of ram HOWEVER a 64 bit system can use a LOT more. Here is one example of how 64 bit systems change ram usage with Adobe products:
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404901.html
You'll notice that the ram usage increases from 1.7gigs to UNLIMITED on a 64-bit computer with a 64-bit version of the software. However even the 32 bit version of the software can utilize twice as much ram on a 64 bit system.
64 bit is the direction that technology is going, and even though there are some software compatibility issues, more and more softwares are being created for 64 bit everyday. If you plan on keeping this computer for a while, my advice is stick with the 64 bit. I have a 64 bit system and I love it! There were a few compatibility issues I had to work around, but I'm happy to help with that if you need me
Phil and David: Just to add my 2 cents, I've never had any problem moving an OS from one computer to another.
PS-If you're on a network you probably want gigabit support in your network card. And to answer your question about dual core, yes there is quad core.
Chad Spillars
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Chad,
Thanks for the advice. I'd actually thought about what you said - and it makes sense. I guess I'll go w/a 64bit and deal w/any software issues if I have any. Better to have a more current system!
I appreciate the offer to help me if I have any probs - and I'm sure I will - so be expecting some msgs from me:)
Not sure WHEN I'm going to buy a new pc, probably w/in the next month or less!
Thanks again!!!
Amzie
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OMG I just found this setup at the oddest place - SAM'S CLUB!
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/naviga … pCatg=5816
What does everyone think? Comes w/a 24" mon!
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/naviga … pCatg=5816
What does everyone think? Comes w/a 24" mon!
Phil
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Personally, I'd steer clear of Dell... We had gotten a whole bunch of them at work and out of 6 at my site 4 were defective from the start. It took 3 months and MANY LONG phone calls to get Dell to get them to "sorta" work. Other sites within the company were having similar ratios and problems.
As far as the monitor... It's kinda a toss up. I recently was looking at 22" monitors to reside on my "office" computer here at home. I ended up getting a 22" wide screen HDTV/Monitor and I am THRILLED with it. In computer Monitor mode it has crystal clear pictures, beautiful coloring and animation is "smooth". I can easily switch to TV mode (say while I'm downloading/uploading a bunch of files) and watch some great HD programming. I don't think I'll EVER go back to a single function monitor again.
Oh yeah, the cost was actually $30 cheaper than the straight monitor.
As far as the monitor... It's kinda a toss up. I recently was looking at 22" monitors to reside on my "office" computer here at home. I ended up getting a 22" wide screen HDTV/Monitor and I am THRILLED with it. In computer Monitor mode it has crystal clear pictures, beautiful coloring and animation is "smooth". I can easily switch to TV mode (say while I'm downloading/uploading a bunch of files) and watch some great HD programming. I don't think I'll EVER go back to a single function monitor again.
Oh yeah, the cost was actually $30 cheaper than the straight monitor.
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Amzie
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Phil,
OMG! Yeah I totally didn't realize it was a DELL! I don't like them! LOL!
I'll probably just get an HP and buy a separate monitor - so you recommend a 22 or 24" wide screen HDTV? Sounds good!
OMG! Yeah I totally didn't realize it was a DELL! I don't like them! LOL!
I'll probably just get an HP and buy a separate monitor - so you recommend a 22 or 24" wide screen HDTV? Sounds good!
Amzie
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Ok, found this one at Sam's Club: What do you think:
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/naviga … pCatg=5816
# Processor and Memory: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33 GHz (95W)
# 1333 MHz front side bus
# Socket 775
# 8 GB Installed Memory
# Maximum allowed: 8 GB (4 x 2 GB) (64-bit OS) / 4 GB (4 x 1 GB) (32-bit OS)
# Speed supported: PC2-6400 MB/sec
# Type: 240 pin, DDR2 SDRAM
Hard Drive and Multimedia Drives:
# 1 TB SATA 3G (3.0 Gb/sec), 5400 rpm
# DVD+/-R/RW 16X 12X +/-DL LS 12X RAM SuperMulti SATA drive
Audio, Video and Graphics:
# Integrated High Definition audio
# ALC 888S chipset, Supports up to 8 audio channels
# Integrated Graphics on motherboard
Seems to have enough RAM, but what about the processor speed? Should I look for something faster or with the extra RAM make everything run ok?
Also, I can't tell if it's got dedicated memory for the graphics card - does it?
But theeeeeeen I priced a pc at the HP site and I think it's a better deal for the price:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopp … mailconfig
Because it's got a faster processor and my Dad gets a discount of some kind.
Lemme know what you all think!
Thanks again --- love you guys!
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/naviga … pCatg=5816
# Processor and Memory: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33 GHz (95W)
# 1333 MHz front side bus
# Socket 775
# 8 GB Installed Memory
# Maximum allowed: 8 GB (4 x 2 GB) (64-bit OS) / 4 GB (4 x 1 GB) (32-bit OS)
# Speed supported: PC2-6400 MB/sec
# Type: 240 pin, DDR2 SDRAM
Hard Drive and Multimedia Drives:
# 1 TB SATA 3G (3.0 Gb/sec), 5400 rpm
# DVD+/-R/RW 16X 12X +/-DL LS 12X RAM SuperMulti SATA drive
Audio, Video and Graphics:
# Integrated High Definition audio
# ALC 888S chipset, Supports up to 8 audio channels
# Integrated Graphics on motherboard
Seems to have enough RAM, but what about the processor speed? Should I look for something faster or with the extra RAM make everything run ok?
Also, I can't tell if it's got dedicated memory for the graphics card - does it?
But theeeeeeen I priced a pc at the HP site and I think it's a better deal for the price:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopp … mailconfig
Because it's got a faster processor and my Dad gets a discount of some kind.
Lemme know what you all think!
Thanks again --- love you guys!
Chad Spillars
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564 posts
2.33 GHz
That's a good speed, and it's a QUAD
, but does it have an L2 cache?Integrated Graphics on motherboard
Looks like a shared memory card, not dedicated.
8 GB Installed Memory
Gee whiz you don't need more than 8 gigs of ram!
Type: 240 pin, DDR2 SDRAM
Only has DDR2 ram, but I wouldn't worry about that. DDR3 really isn't that much faster.
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Amzie
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269 posts
Chad,
Once again, thanks for your input:)
I see you commented on the pc I found at Samsclub.com, but not the one at the HP site. I'll post a screen shot image since I can't really c & p:
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn251/jamiemac30/other/hp.jpg
or the direct link is:
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn25 … her/hp.jpg
Yeah it's more $, but remember my Dad get some kind of discount, and it's got a faster processor, that DDR3 thing, 4MB for that L2 cache stuff - but I can't tell if it's got dedicated memory for the graphics card. All it states is:
"512MB NVIDIA GeForce G210 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]"
Anyhoo, no rush, but when you get a chance, let me know what ya think:) Thanks so much!!!!!!!!
Once again, thanks for your input:)
I see you commented on the pc I found at Samsclub.com, but not the one at the HP site. I'll post a screen shot image since I can't really c & p:
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn251/jamiemac30/other/hp.jpg
or the direct link is:
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn25 … her/hp.jpg
Yeah it's more $, but remember my Dad get some kind of discount, and it's got a faster processor, that DDR3 thing, 4MB for that L2 cache stuff - but I can't tell if it's got dedicated memory for the graphics card. All it states is:
"512MB NVIDIA GeForce G210 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]"
Anyhoo, no rush, but when you get a chance, let me know what ya think:) Thanks so much!!!!!!!!
Amzie
Registered User
269 posts
Ok, got another question:
Which is better/faster:
Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad processor Q8400 [2.66GHz, 4MB L2, 1333MHz FSB]
or
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-920 processor (2.66GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache with QPI Technology)
or it is possible to determine which is faster w/the given info?
THANKS!
Which is better/faster:
Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad processor Q8400 [2.66GHz, 4MB L2, 1333MHz FSB]
or
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-920 processor (2.66GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache with QPI Technology)
or it is possible to determine which is faster w/the given info?
THANKS!
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