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I have been using Coffee Cup Software for many years now, but have switch from Windows to Linux OS. I have use "Wine" in Linux to run Coffee Cup FTP, and HTML Editor, but would like to see a Linux version of Coffee Cup. My Question is, Will this ever happen? I know that there are more Windows users than Linux, but the Linux user base is growing everyday. I like Coffee Cup's software and could get Linux users to switch if it ever becomes availible.
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I have to say that I am aware of many people who have taken the linux route. However, a large percentage of them still retain a working copy of windows so they can use their favourite programmes as they are not supported in a linux version.

I am not sure, but I doubt that CC would be considering Linux versions of their software any time soon. I would be happy for you if I were proved wrong though.

It strikes me that CoffeeCup software, while enjoyed by the more experienced user, is a favourite for the non technical web site creators. As such, these people are less likely to want to move over to Linux, or any other type of operating system and as such I would assume that CoffeeCup will stick with its core users.

This is just my thoughts here, you understand.

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I have to say that I am aware of many people who have taken the linux route. However, a large percentage of them still retain a working copy of windows so they can use their favourite programmes as they are not supported in a linux version.

I am not sure, but I doubt that CC would be considering Linux versions of their software any time soon. I would be happy for you if I were proved wrong though.

It strikes me that CoffeeCup software, while enjoyed by the more experienced user, is a favourite for the non technical web site creators. As such, these people are less likely to want to move over to Linux, or any other type of operating system and as such I would assume that CoffeeCup will stick with its core users.

This is just my thoughts here, you understand.

Mark

Thanks for your input on this subject, but I will disagree with you on one point. I am a technical guy who enjoys the CC software and Linux. To me Linux is far better than Windows, and CC is far better than an Linux software for the HTML editing and I like the Direct FTP from CC also.
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If I'm not mistaken, there WAS a Linux version of CC_HTML sometime in the past. I think I picked up this tidbit in another post somewhere. You should lobby for an update in the "New Software Ideas" thread.

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Irving - I did say that CC was enjoyed by the more experienced. I should have been stronger with my statement there!

I have only had a dabble with Linux on a friends computer. I thought that much of the software was trying to be something it wasn't, and it all looked too much like OS from IBM.

I think as more and more people start to use computers, especially in third world countries, Linux will start to perhaps even dominate Microsoft. Lets face it, if you are poor country and need an operating system on all the computers in both central and local government, what you going to choose, expensive Microsoft, or cheap Linux?

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Mark Searson wrote:
Irving - I did say that CC was enjoyed by the more experienced. I should have been stronger with my statement there!

I have only had a dabble with Linux on a friends computer. I thought that much of the software was trying to be something it wasn't, and it all looked too much like OS from IBM.

I think as more and more people start to use computers, especially in third world countries, Linux will start to perhaps even dominate Microsoft. Lets face it, if you are poor country and need an operating system on all the computers in both central and local government, what you going to choose, expensive Microsoft, or cheap Linux?

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I'm a Linux user (writing this now using SUSE 10.0 and Firefox), and love CoffeeCup software. I wish there were Linux versions, but I understand that the numbers just aren't there yet to justify it yet. Though there is something to be said for being there first so that as the demand grows, you're the default choice. :)

There was a version of the CC HTML Editor. It used to be available as a free download. It worked, but it was darn ugly (gtk1). :)

You can find a short review as well as a working download link here: http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Co … 46947205/2

I agree that many 3rd world and developing countries will go with Linux. Their traditional method has been piracy, which took cost out of the equation. As those countries start to go legit, now cost comes into play. Microsoft has tried to offer lower pricing to those countries, but that only hacks off everyone who is expected to pay full price.

Plus, it's more than cost involved. There is security and stability issues. Without being tightly tied to Microsoft, it's easier to choose a different path. Many people in the US believe that it will hurt worse to change than to deal with what they have. I switched and have never regretted it. :)

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You know John, I am sure that when it comes down to it, and as other software developers start to address the needs of Linux users, CoffeeCup will step up and make their software (at least some) available to Linux users.

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You know John, I am sure that when it comes down to it, and as other software developers start to address the needs of Linux users, CoffeeCup will step up and make their software (at least some) available to Linux users.

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Mark,

I'm sure they will. Unfortunately, it's a "chicken and the egg scenario" right now: not enough users to justify the software, and not enough software to justify the users.

It is slowly changing though.

The fact that CC did offer their HTML Editor at one time at least shows that they know how. At the time, they probably sold 3 copies and decided the market just wasn't there, and rightfully so. As useage rises, and people come to realize that all Linux software doesn't have to be free (a common perception), maybe they'll try it again.

I"ve got the Webmaster Superpack (getting ready to buy it again to get the last few apps that I've missed), but would gladly buy it all over again to get it for Linux.

Someday. :)

John

PS. Actually, it doesn' even have to be a total rewrite. They could work to make thir existing versions "wine friendly" and sell them that way. IBM sold a web editor that way, and for a time you could Corel Office for Linux that was packaged that way: Windows software that was tweaked to work well with Wine. Linux users get what they want, and the software developers don't have to rewrite from scratch and support 2 separate codebases.

Hmmm... :)
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Mark Searson wrote:
You know John, I am sure that when it comes down to it, and as other software developers start to address the needs of Linux users, CoffeeCup will step up and make their software (at least some) available to Linux users.

Mark

Mark,

I'm sure they will. Unfortunately, it's a "chicken and the egg scenario" right now: not enough users to justify the software, and not enough software to justify the users.

It is slowly changing though.

The fact that CC did offer their HTML Editor at one time at least shows that they know how. At the time, they probably sold 3 copies and decided the market just wasn't there, and rightfully so. As useage rises, and people come to realize that all Linux software doesn't have to be free (a common perception), maybe they'll try it again.

I"ve got the Webmaster Superpack (getting ready to buy it again to get the last few apps that I've missed), but would gladly buy it all over again to get it for Linux.

Someday. :)

John

PS. Actually, it doesn' even have to be a total rewrite. They could work to make thir existing versions "wine friendly" and sell them that way. IBM sold a web editor that way, and for a time you could Corel Office for Linux that was packaged that way: Windows software that was tweaked to work well with Wine. Linux users get what they want, and the software developers don't have to rewrite from scratch and support 2 separate codebases.

Hmmm... :)

John, in reply to your PS, just for the record, I did purchase CC HTML Editor for windows and did get it to work under Wine in Linux, but there was so many issues, one being preformance and another being display issues I quit trying to use it under Linux and am back to using it under Windows. I use Bluefish in Linux for HTML editing. I do agree that if CC tweaked the software it would work under Linux using Wine.
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I am completely switching over to Linux this week, I have had it with Microsoft. It's going to be a hard transition since I build websites for a living, and many of my programs won't work on Linux, for example, CoffeeCup softwares.

I own the Windows versions of over half the CC softwares, I bought the "Big Cup" back in the day and have been a CC user/customer for a few years now. I am heartbroken that I will have to migrate to another software to do my work from now on.

I would gladly pay another $150 bucks for a Linux version of the CoffeeCup Big Cup, it would be worth every penny.

Don't count Linux out guys, it's still on the rise, and I have a strong feeling that after Microsoft releases it's multi version Vista operating system later this year that many more people will make the switch to Linux. The Vista prices are going to be high, the transition cost for most people is going to make them look for alternatives. Especially if they have to buy a new version of Office too. Not to mention people are sick of waiting for bug fixes and patches with a new operating system.
Plus Vista is going to require a lot of people to massively upgrade or replace their computers just to use it.

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