I just took a look at 1&1, they have a nice looking package and are offering a year for free so I may just have to make that move anyway. Thanks

While waiting for my hosting service to make a desion on this matter I decided to look at other services to see if I could find one that would tell me directly if I could use the software on their servers. This is the response that I recieved from "justhost.com": According to our terms and conditions
http://www.justhost.com/terms-and-conditions we don't allow streaming
video/audio, using stand-alone server processes is not allowed also:

Hosting of files or other data that infringes on another's copyright or other intellectual property rights.

Examples of unacceptable material on all Shared servers include:
IRC Bots, Proxy Scripts / Anonymizers, Pirated Software / Warez, image,
filedump, mirror, or banner-ad services (similar to rapidshare, photobucket, or
commercial banner ad rotation), affiliate servers, topsites, commercial audio
streaming (more than one or two streams), Escrow, High-Yield Interest Programs
(HYIP) or related sites, Investment sites (FOREX, egold exchange), sale of any
controlled substance without prior proof of appropriate permit(s), AutoSurf
sites, Bank Debentures, Bank Debenture Trading Programs, Prime Banks Programs,
lottery sites, muds / rpg's, hate sites, hacker focused
sites/archives/programs, or sites promoting illegal activities, IP Scanners,
Brute Force Programs, Mail Bombers and Spam Scripts. Forums and or websites
that distribute or link to warez content are prohibited.

Offering video and/or audio streaming or downloads, MP3 Files, Games and
shareware is also not permitted on any Just Host server.

Thank you.

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Kind regards,
Mark Tennant

Just Host
www.justhost.com
I received simular responses from two other services, although none of them said directly that Coffee Cup's method is illeagal. My theroy is that as long as no one files an "abuse" complaint you are okay. I think that is why I have not been asked to remove the parts of my site that have been using the jukebox (with older music) .
I still agree with CC in that your website is an extension of your home, hence the terms; domain (domicle), home page, address (url) and mail (e-mail). It is not the hosting services that want to prohibit the use of the software but the music industry. Unfortunately I don't have the wherewithall to fight the music industry. I'm thinking of trying to start a blog or something on the internet to bring the issue out to the public as this is the only way I can think of to fight them. Until this is resolved we may as well pack the jukebox away unlessyou want to risk a big lawsuite from some record company.

I've been or am with Lunypage and yahoo and att and godaddy and never got any of the problems your having. I always thought that it bothered someone they have to give you a warning first to remove any copywrited music music first then if you didn't they can sue... well in my world! lol "It's A Smart Person That Asks"

Have you used the jukebox with music that you ripped from a comercial CD on these sites?

I've used some.... so yes. but I not very popular either-selling or buying "It's A Smart Person That Asks"

I use the startlogic prologic plan http://www.startlogic.com/ at 5.95 a month for the 2 year plan. One of the main reasons I chose them is that most music formats are supported on-site not requiring the visitor to download anything to listen, as my hubby is a professional musician & only plays his own music.
A while back they stopped allowing uploads of mp3's and other "contraband" thru their control panel with a little note (in help) to use ftp. Regardless of who owns it.
On my section of the site I mostly experiment. But I have hundreds of my own purchased songs playing on CCJB.
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Keep us posted.
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I made two web sites with a number of jukeboxes made with songs from CDs that I own.

It was my understanding that it was okay to play this music for all the world to hear as long as I didn't sell the music or allow someone to download the songs.

I saw this thread and became concerned that this was not a great idea after all. Since one of my song albums was from a local artist and a distant relative of my wife, I asked him how he felt about me playing his music for free! He said he was flattered and I felt better about it.

Then I discovered a problem during a test of a change to my web site. I have RealPlayer installed on my PC. When I tested my web site in Internet Explorer and played one of the jukeboxes, up popped "Download This Clip?". It worked great and downloaded the entire song into RealPlayer!

Since I cannot prevent this from happening with any other user, I shut down both web sites. I was unable to figure out or control permissions on the files so that the jukebox could still play the songs, and nobody could download them. At least on the web space providers I used...

I think this might be a concern for others as well. Any suggestions???

We are aware of this problem, but unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it at this time. Our views, as the developers of Web Jukebox, is that as long as there are no public links available for visitors to download or copy the music off your server, then there is no copyright infringement being made.

Personally, I find it disturbing that RealPlayer is monitoring what files are being called within the HTML source and actively downloading them off my server to the local system. As a designer, it's a violation of my privacy because I didn't give them access to that account.

I'm with you on that, Cesar. I had a player up on a website and the shop went out of business due to bad health of the owners. When I went to take the site down, I looked and saw the RealPlayer link. It disturbed me a little. I didn't give access to that. I didn't give public access to the files, only the right to listen to it. "Time heals everything. Know who said that? My Latin teacher at barber college!"
- Floyd Lawson

Widoktadwat - "Plays Well With Others"

I also object to anyone downloading the songs that I purchased and allowed anyone to listen to for free. Since I can't prevent the downloading, I would rather not have the jukeboxes on a public web site. I only built my two sites for entertainment of friends and family anyway.

About that other problem:

Both RealPlayer and Itunes offer songs that can be purchased at:

http://mp3.rhapsody.com

It is interesting that if you access this site directly with Internet Explorer, the "Download" does not appear! So the site has figured out how to control this problem when it offers "Free Plays" of (an) entire song(s).

RealPlayer formerly had a proprietary format (.rax) that could only be played by their application program even though you purchased a downloaded song! Of course, you had the right and capability of burning the downloaded songs onto an audio CD using RealPlayer. And, then, you could always "rip" the songs from the CD with any other program and convert them to any audio file format you please.

Isn't technology wonderful!!!!